, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26 - Cabinet Secretary for Transport and North Wales
Welcome back to this meeting of the Climate Change, Environment and Infrastructure Committee here at the Senedd. We will be moving to the third item, which is a continuation of our scrutiny of the Welsh Government's draft budget for 2025-26, and to look…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26 - Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs
Thank you very much for your attendance. You will receive a copy of the transcript to check for accuracy, but, with that, thank you very much, and we look forward to welcoming you back for the general scrutiny in the next few months. Thank you very much. The…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26 - Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs
There we are. We'll keep our powder dry on that, and we'll try again later on. [Laughter.] Okay, diolch yn fawr iawn. Can I thank you, Cabinet Secretary, for your attendance and that of your officials this morning? I think we've covered the bases that we…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26 - Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs
Well, we can pursue this in our next session with the relevant Cabinet Secretary. Julie, did you want to come in on this?
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26 - Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs
Maybe you could drop us a note on that.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26 - Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs
Yes, we are showing our age in referencing that. [Interruption.] No, I'll tell you later on. [Laughter.] Okay. I'll tell you over a pint of Allbright. Carolyn.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26 - Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs
No, no. Okay, diolch yn fawr. Thank you.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26 - Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs
—albeit for 12 months as opposed to part of the year last year. That's an important point.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26 - Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs
So, proportionately, it's the same resource—
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26 - Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs
Yes, obviously we had the initial assessor, then two deputies were added. I see from your paper that a third deputy—. It feels a bit like the Allbright bitter advert, where they were building an extension on the extension. [Laughter.] No, but it's all got a…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26 - Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs
No, no, we're all very—. I've been harvesting seagrass seeds as well. The frustration is, of course, that much of it is subject to a bidding process for grants, meaning that there's no certainty as such, is there, despite our passions. Sometimes it wins…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26 - Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs
We look forward to seeing that. Janet, you wanted to come in on this.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26 - Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs
Okay. Diolch yn fawr. Joyce.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26 - Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs
Okay. Diolch yn fawr. So, do you see any conflict between what you describe as ‘reduced demand’ for capital funding on waste projects, and achieving the 70 per cent statutory recycling target for 2025, because we only have four local authorities currently…
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26 - Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs
Okay. Diolch yn fawr.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26 - Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs
Julie.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26 - Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs
Indeed, but, obviously, being a Wales-only scheme, then, that will bring with it, I presume, an element of increased cost.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26 - Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs
There we are, excellent. Diolch yn fawr iawn. Can I move on to waste, then? Because I just wanted to ask what assessment you've made of the resources needed to develop a Wales-only deposit-return scheme, and how is the budget providing for that?
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26 - Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs
Consider it raised.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26 - Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs
Thank you. Speaking of biodiversity, Carolyn, are you going to take us into that area?
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26 - Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs
Diolch yn fawr. Thank you. Joyce.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26 - Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs
Okay, thank you. Julie, did you want to come back on anything?
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26 - Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs
I think Carolyn wants to come in, Julie.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26 - Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs
Okay. Thank you. There we are. Okay. Diolch yn fawr iawn. Julie, we'll move on to you.
, Climate Change, Environment, and Infrastructure Committee
Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2025-26 - Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs
So, those applications that were made for the grant scheme in this current financial year will just roll over to be considered as part of the wider scheme—