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Financial Implications of the Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Thank you, Peter. Thank you. And just to clarify—and I think it's something that you said earlier—you've assumed 100 per cent take-up.
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Financial Implications of the Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Thank you. Peter, I'll come back to you now.
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Financial Implications of the Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Certainly. Dave, do you want to come in? Can we unmute? Thank you, Dave.
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Financial Implications of the Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Just by going on one of these isn't going to—
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Financial Implications of the Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Can I just come in on that point? The RIA notes that the figures don't apply to single events such as an outdoor education residential. The Minister did question that when we spoke to him, saying that the review and the report do not in fact include…
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Financial Implications of the Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Fair enough. Thank you very much. Peter.
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Financial Implications of the Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Diolch. Welsh Government has said that it is risky to commit to a forecast costing, given that it doesn't have any indicative budgets past March 2025. To what extent do you agree with that?
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Financial Implications of the Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Sorry, yes, Mike. Carry on.
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Financial Implications of the Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Okay. Thank you. Sorry, Mike. Carry on.
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Financial Implications of the Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Mike, if I could just come in on that point, sorry. With hypothecating, you've been a council leader, and hypothecating and telling you what to do isn't something that you probably appreciate from Welsh Government. Why would this be any different in that…
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Financial Implications of the Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Thank you very much. I'll bring Mike Hedges in at this point. Diolch yn fawr.
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Financial Implications of the Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Great, thank you very much for that. The final question, really, from me, before I move on to Mike Hedges: the RIA does not include the costs associated with additional clothing and equipment, such as footwear, spare coats, et cetera. Are you concerned that…
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Financial Implications of the Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Okay. I'll bring Rhianon in on that point.
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Financial Implications of the Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
So, it's the maximum envelope, effectively, that you're trying to look at.
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Financial Implications of the Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Is it the worst case, or the best case?
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Financial Implications of the Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Okay, thank you for that. You've suggested it's not your intention to make this residential outdoor education compulsory. How is that reflected in the Bill and the RIA, and what is the potential impact on the ability to estimate costs if outdoor education is…
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Financial Implications of the Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
So, with regards to that definition within the guidance, can you foresee any issues around—? If we're talking about local procurement, for example, would you foresee, to be able to help, effectively, the Welsh tourism industry or Welsh outdoor residential…
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Financial Implications of the Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Okay, thank you very much for that. One of the discussions during the scrutiny of the Bill has been around the definition of residential outdoor education. Do you think that the Bill and the regulatory impact assessment are clear about what constitutes…
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Financial Implications of the Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Thank you very much, and thank you for your attendance this morning. As you'll be aware, there will be a record of this, a transcript of this, that you can check for accuracy afterwards. On 7 February, we took evidence from the education Minister, and…
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Financial Implications of the Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
There we are. And yourself, Sam.
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Financial Implications of the Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Dave? There we are.
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Financial Implications of the Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill: Evidence session
Okay. We'll move on to our substantive item this morning then, and welcome to Sam Rowlands and his team. We're going to be talking about the financial implications of the Residential Outdoor Education (Wales) Bill and we've had supporting documents from the…
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Papers to note
Yes, it might be something that we can pick up with the Minister when she comes in next. We'll make a note of that and try and find some time. If that's not going to happen in the short term, then maybe we can write to the Minister and ask her for a further…
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Papers to note
I'll move on to the second item this morning, which is the papers to note. We're got minutes, catching up on minutes, and then we've got three papers to note—three letters from Ministers with updates, so thanks to them for responding to us. Anything to say or…
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Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest
A warm welcome to you.
