Yes, absolutely, Huw, and we are taken by it, and we've had meetings with umpteen Welsh Government officials around that very matrix, and looking at the detail of how that could work and the support they've put into the provider network to help develop the initial—. It's the old scenario of supply and demand. What comes first, the training and the skills, or the work? And that's the area that we're in at the moment. I think there's work there, but people aren't investing in the skills to do the work because they're not sure it's going to last because it's a pilot programme, and, therefore, we need some level of continuity and consistency, and for a provider network to invest in setting up provision, then I think it does need a bit of pump priming.
There are a few good examples, both in the private sector, because they see it as a development of their business, and there are also some RSLs that are keen to set up. There's one up in Penygroes up in north Wales that I'll be visiting with Adra in the next couple of weeks, just going to see a factory they've built, that they've set up. We'll be having a look at the facilities and working out exactly what they're going to develop in there, whether it's upskilling, whether it's fabric, whether it's technology, and whatever they need we're going to help them with the skills requirements in that facility. But it's because they want to do it, and they want to do it for the local workforce.
But coming back to your point, yes, Scotland is an area that does seem to be a little bit one step ahead as far as some of these things are concerned. We're keen to learn from them. I had a presentation the other day from a small company that has set their own retrofit academy up and are taking on their own apprentices. And they're one of our council members up in Scotland, and they were just saying, 'We've done it because it makes good business sense for us, and we're developing our own people, and there's a whole load of vans on the road with people that we've trained over the last two or three years, and we are now ahead of the game. Now these tenders are starting to come out,' they said, 'people are coming to us, they know our name because we've been doing it.'
So, it was a great example to see somebody that's taken the initiative, and I think we've got a few of those in Wales that will probably start popping up here and there. But coming back to Joyce's point, wouldn't it be great if we could get some consistency? And whether that's Welsh Government putting in their tenders, their plans, their requirements, 'These are the minimum standards that are required; these are the qualifications that we will acknowledge, that meet our requirements', and that will give that level of consistency, going back to that quality assurance element at the beginning. That's something that I asked if it could be put in the latest ORP documents, but I don't think it actually was.