, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Evidence session with the Counsel General and Minister for Delivery on the Legislation (Procedure, Publication and Repeals) (Wales) Bill
I absolutely agree with you—
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Evidence session with the Counsel General and Minister for Delivery on the Legislation (Procedure, Publication and Repeals) (Wales) Bill
—repeals. But I was also astonished to see the Domestic Fire Safety (Wales) Measure 2011 being repealed. I was on that committee when that was enacted, and my memory was that that was seen to be a very important piece of legislation at the time, partly…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Evidence session with the Counsel General and Minister for Delivery on the Legislation (Procedure, Publication and Repeals) (Wales) Bill
I could spend the whole day having this conversation. So, I assume that the Development Board for Rural Wales and the land authority are similar—
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Evidence session with the Counsel General and Minister for Delivery on the Legislation (Procedure, Publication and Repeals) (Wales) Bill
It was 1978 or something. Or 1974.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Evidence session with the Counsel General and Minister for Delivery on the Legislation (Procedure, Publication and Repeals) (Wales) Bill
So, how can you abolish it without repealing the Act?
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Evidence session with the Counsel General and Minister for Delivery on the Legislation (Procedure, Publication and Repeals) (Wales) Bill
It might be useful to pursue the conversation about the legislative process that you were having with Adam, because I think this Bill is not being seen as a consolidation Bill, is it, but in many ways it has many of the features of that, reading through it…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Evidence session with the Counsel General and Minister for Delivery on the Legislation (Procedure, Publication and Repeals) (Wales) Bill
I find myself in complete agreement with the Counsel General, so I'll leave it at that for now.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Evidence session with the Counsel General and Minister for Delivery on the Legislation (Procedure, Publication and Repeals) (Wales) Bill
And that, of course, is an important purpose, I fully accept that. But you know, when I hear Ministers saying this is purely an administrative Bill, two things go through my mind. First of all, what are they trying to hide? And two, why don't you do more…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Evidence session with the Counsel General and Minister for Delivery on the Legislation (Procedure, Publication and Repeals) (Wales) Bill
What's your vision for this Bill, Minister?
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Evidence session with the Counsel General and Minister for Delivery on the Legislation (Procedure, Publication and Repeals) (Wales) Bill
I've just started eating a biscuit.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Legislative Consent Memorandum on the Great British Energy Bill: Evidence session with the Cabinet Secretary for Economy, Energy and Planning
I was content with the response from the Minister on my earlier questions, but I do believe we probably need a conversation with the First Minister or the Counsel General about some of the structural issues we've debated and discussed around these LCMs this…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Legislative Consent Memorandum on the Great British Energy Bill: Evidence session with the Cabinet Secretary for Economy, Energy and Planning
Thank you.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Legislative Consent Memorandum on the Great British Energy Bill: Evidence session with the Cabinet Secretary for Economy, Energy and Planning
Could I also ask for an update on the conversations that you're having with the UK Government on the devolution of the Crown Estate?
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Legislative Consent Memorandum on the Great British Energy Bill: Evidence session with the Cabinet Secretary for Economy, Energy and Planning
Okay, thank you.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Legislative Consent Memorandum on the Great British Energy Bill: Evidence session with the Cabinet Secretary for Economy, Energy and Planning
No, I think it's a negative one, you see, because my view is—and we're straying into policy here, and we've got to be careful—that if we have a player that has greater resource and greater power than the player that exists already, you don't need to have a…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Legislative Consent Memorandum on the Great British Energy Bill: Evidence session with the Cabinet Secretary for Economy, Energy and Planning
I'm grateful to you for that. It's tempting me down a path of a long conversation on policy, which is not appropriate in this committee. But I'm unsure whether I'm convinced by the answers, quite honestly, on structures. Because whilst you're saying, Cabinet…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Legislative Consent Memorandum on the Great British Energy Bill: Evidence session with the Cabinet Secretary for Economy, Energy and Planning
Taking this forward, I was interested in an answer you gave earlier to Luke, because, like you, in your original answers, I'm very much in favour—. Sorry, my throat is—. Perhaps it knows what I'm going to say. [Laughter.] I'm very much in favour, politically…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Legislative Consent Memorandum on the Great British Energy Bill: Evidence session with the Cabinet Secretary for Economy, Energy and Planning
I'll leave it at that, thank you.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Legislative Consent Memorandum on the Great British Energy Bill: Evidence session with the Cabinet Secretary for Economy, Energy and Planning
That's quite something. It's quite a reflection on the UK Government.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Legislative Consent Memorandum on the Great British Energy Bill: Evidence session with the Cabinet Secretary for Economy, Energy and Planning
Twenty-five years later.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Legislative Consent Memorandum on the Great British Energy Bill: Evidence session with the Cabinet Secretary for Economy, Energy and Planning
So can I take it from that response that those are the sorts of conversations that are taking place between the two Governments at the moment? I can see lots of nodding heads. I'm hoping somebody's going to say ‘yes’ for the public record.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Legislative Consent Memorandum on the Great British Energy Bill: Evidence session with the Cabinet Secretary for Economy, Energy and Planning
But the LCM that you're potentially asking us to agree is. And that's the problem, isn't it? Because what we had over Brexit was a huge power grab by the executive, generally in London, and removed democratic accountability from the UK Parliament and from…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Legislative Consent Memorandum on the Great British Energy Bill: Evidence session with the Cabinet Secretary for Economy, Energy and Planning
I appreciate the work that's being done on these matters, and I know it can be fiendishly difficult—I accept all that. I don't like the architecture of this sort of legislation though, because what you've got is very broad Executive powers being given to UK…
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Legislative Consent Memorandum on the Great British Energy Bill: Evidence session with the Cabinet Secretary for Economy, Energy and Planning
Okay.
, Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee
Legislative Consent Memorandum on the Great British Energy Bill: Evidence session with the Cabinet Secretary for Economy, Energy and Planning
Previous Ministers sitting in this seat, of course, threatened to take the UK Government to court over the United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020, and this committee was broadly supportive of that position. I think that's a very reasonable position to take…
