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Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
And I suppose that leads into something that Huw will be particularly interested in, in framework Bills. Then, how do you produce a regulatory impact assessment on a framework Bill, where you don't know what it's going to necessarily look like once you've got…
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Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
Yes. Is that error 100 per cent, or is that 10 per cent, or whatever? How far off are you?
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Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
—and being able to say, 'Well, that's the model, that's the actual, that's the difference, and why is there a difference and what analysis goes into that sort of working out?'
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Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
I just used them as new things that came through—
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Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
Yes. On that point, I suppose, it's when we're developing the budget, when we're developing and scrutinising Bills when they come through—and I've sat on Huw's committee, the Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee, and looking at the nitty-gritty of…
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Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
And those elements work together, then.
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Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
And on that point, it's very similar to the social partnership—
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Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
Before you answer, shall I bring Mike in as well on that? There we are, Mike.
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Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
Okay.
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Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
And we heard a little bit about that earlier today. They were saying that that, in particular, wouldn't necessarily affect the poorest, it would affect the slightly more well-off.
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Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
And you've got that data, but we haven't—no. [Laughter.] Over to Huw.
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Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
And that longer term thinking, I suppose.
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Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
Whilst we’re still talking about the future generations commissioner and the Act, what impact has the Act had on this budget? If we didn’t have the Act, would you have set the budget differently? Has it had any impact on thinking, ‘Well, we’d better put money…
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Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
Yes.
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Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
Yes. That was the message that we were receiving.
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Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
I'll come to Peter.
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Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
In that discussion this morning, we were talking about how Government departments—if one does one thing, what the impact is. And this is obviously where we're talking about this. We were then in the session with the NHS and social services, and saying that…
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Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
Because you'll have heard him talk—. Sorry, Emma, do you want to come in on that? Sorry.
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Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
What were your thoughts on the matrix that he was talking about, and how could that work for Government—Government departments, Government in general and then other public bodies?
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Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
You listened to the session with the future generations commissioner earlier. So, that is a strong commitment from you to work with him on doing that.
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Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
Mike, are you—? Is that it?
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Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
But is it finding something—a halfway house within that—to help with that? Sorry, Mike, have you—?
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Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
Huw, did you want to come in?
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Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
But it builds up, doesn't it? So, if you're seeing that, you'd see how things are performing, you'd see how policies are performing, to be able to forecast, to be able to see, 'Is this going in the right direction?', the same as you'd do on a daily basis and…
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Scrutiny of the Welsh Government Draft Budget 2024-25: Evidence session 8
Yes, is there a—? To be able to answer the challenge, because you say to us all the time, 'What would you cut?', and we rehearse the argument over and over and over, and it probably doesn't get us very far, would there be a method of getting an office for…
