3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Well, thank you very much for your time this morning. Sorry we've run over, but it just shows how—
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Thank you. And, finally, Mike, would you mind asking question 13?
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Could you ask No. 11?
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Yes, we'll write to you with anything that we don't cover, it's just that it's been quite fascinating going through this.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
We can do, yes.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Just to bear in mind, I think we're actually out of time, but if you've got a few more minutes, then, obviously, Mike and Peter have got a few questions if we could go over.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
So, that's something for the future work.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
I think one other piece of work that this committee is hoping to do is the cost of legislation, and something that we're keen to try and do is to look at what you said in your RIA, and after a Bill becomes an Act, does it match?
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
—of Bills.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
And it's the post-implementation reviews—
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
It tends to feed into budget setting and that aspect.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
All right. Okay. Fair enough. Thank you. I'll come to you now, Peter.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
So, is it an assumption, then, that that is the sort of peak, or is it still growing? These are the sort of questions, because, obviously, if it still grows, then your costs are going to grow.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Even if you just did a straight line and—
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
That doesn't compute somehow.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
So, just looking at the figures, from 2014 to 2023, children in care—. The figure in 2014 was 5,745; in 2023, 7,210, yet you've modelled on a constant.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
I'll bring Rhianon back in now. Thank you.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
And we appreciate that things change and that they are complex, so the more detail, and as—. Mike's catchphrase in this committee is, 'Show your workings', so there we are.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
We'll come on to that in a minute. I wanted to bring Mike in and then come back to Rhianon. We cut across her and I want her to have half her questions as well.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Okay. Peter, did you want to come in, or has that answered your question?
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
I think it is, but I wanted to understand, and obviously, when you have two sets of figures that don't add up within one document, it gives—
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Sorry, yes, on both—I've added the two together.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
Sorry, Rhianon. That's the best part of £80 million between the bottom and the top, so I'd rather not just write. I'd like to try and get an answer.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
I'm going to go over to Rhianon. I think she's got some questions around some of the inconsistencies in the data that we've already had. Rhianon, over to you.
3 Gorffennaf 2024 , Finance Committee
Bil Iechyd a Gofal Cymdeithasol (Cymru): Sesiwn dystiolaeth
So, Minister, you're happy that it's as accurate as it can be, given those complexities.