26 Mehefin 2024 , Finance Committee
Cysylltiadau Rhynglywodraethol Cyllidol: Sesiwn dystiolaeth 7
Sorry, Peter. In those closed-door meetings, if you like, in your instinct, is that based on those people going into the room already having a relationship, or is it that—? What's the dynamic there? Why do they work?
26 Mehefin 2024 , Finance Committee
Cysylltiadau Rhynglywodraethol Cyllidol: Sesiwn dystiolaeth 7
Peter.
26 Mehefin 2024 , Finance Committee
Cysylltiadau Rhynglywodraethol Cyllidol: Sesiwn dystiolaeth 7
Right, okay. Thank you for that.
26 Mehefin 2024 , Finance Committee
Cysylltiadau Rhynglywodraethol Cyllidol: Sesiwn dystiolaeth 7
—and it's reviewed then periodically.
26 Mehefin 2024 , Finance Committee
Cysylltiadau Rhynglywodraethol Cyllidol: Sesiwn dystiolaeth 7
So, it's multi-year, at three or five years—
26 Mehefin 2024 , Finance Committee
Cysylltiadau Rhynglywodraethol Cyllidol: Sesiwn dystiolaeth 7
Multi-year, because, otherwise, you're constantly doing bureaucracy, basically, rather than actually getting on with what you need to be doing.
26 Mehefin 2024 , Finance Committee
Cysylltiadau Rhynglywodraethol Cyllidol: Sesiwn dystiolaeth 7
And—sorry, Mike—in those systems, is it on an annual basis, or do they do them on a—?
26 Mehefin 2024 , Finance Committee
Cysylltiadau Rhynglywodraethol Cyllidol: Sesiwn dystiolaeth 7
How do they resolve it?
26 Mehefin 2024 , Finance Committee
Cysylltiadau Rhynglywodraethol Cyllidol: Sesiwn dystiolaeth 7
It's relationship building as well, so you can put things in the rules, but you can also build relationships. I think it was the Cabinet Secretary for finance in Scotland who was saying that building relationships with an ever-changing Chief Secretary to the…
26 Mehefin 2024 , Finance Committee
Cysylltiadau Rhynglywodraethol Cyllidol: Sesiwn dystiolaeth 7
Would you suggest, potentially, either legislating or putting things in place to do that? Is that what you're saying?
26 Mehefin 2024 , Finance Committee
Cysylltiadau Rhynglywodraethol Cyllidol: Sesiwn dystiolaeth 7
Peter, did you want to come in?
26 Mehefin 2024 , Finance Committee
Cysylltiadau Rhynglywodraethol Cyllidol: Sesiwn dystiolaeth 7
Diolch yn fawr. I'll bring Mike Hedges in—. Sorry, Peter, did you want to come in?
26 Mehefin 2024 , Finance Committee
Cysylltiadau Rhynglywodraethol Cyllidol: Sesiwn dystiolaeth 7
Is the system rigged so that the Treasury always wins?
26 Mehefin 2024 , Finance Committee
Cysylltiadau Rhynglywodraethol Cyllidol: Sesiwn dystiolaeth 7
Okay. So when it comes to FISC in particular—and obviously we were talking about the financial elements of that, and devolved funding in particular, and we'll come on to some of those things later with my colleagues—some of the evidence that we've received to…
26 Mehefin 2024 , Finance Committee
Cysylltiadau Rhynglywodraethol Cyllidol: Sesiwn dystiolaeth 7
We've had some evidence to this committee when it comes to the FISC element—so the Finance: Interministerial Standing Committee—and that's based on good working relationships between ministers and officials, but it also has been hit with some change of…
26 Mehefin 2024 , Finance Committee
Cysylltiadau Rhynglywodraethol Cyllidol: Sesiwn dystiolaeth 7
Going back to the initial question, with regard to the interplay between different Governments, and heads of Government in particular, is it beholden on the heads of Governments to show an example of how it should happen? The fact that the Prime Minister and…
26 Mehefin 2024 , Finance Committee
Cysylltiadau Rhynglywodraethol Cyllidol: Sesiwn dystiolaeth 7
There we are. Diolch yn fawr. Thank you very much. As you've probably been watching, we've had six sessions to date on inter-governmental relations. It's been fascinating to delve under the bonnet of some of this work. I'd like to start by looking at your…
26 Mehefin 2024 , Finance Committee
Cysylltiadau Rhynglywodraethol Cyllidol: Sesiwn dystiolaeth 7
Okay, we'll move on to our substantive item this morning, then, which is the next and penultimate evidence session that we have on fiscal inter-governmental relations. We've got Ed Poole here with us. Ed, do you mind just introducing yourself and your role…
26 Mehefin 2024 , Finance Committee
Papurau i'w nodi
There we are, thank you. Thank you very much. [Laughter.]
26 Mehefin 2024 , Finance Committee
Papurau i'w nodi
Diolch. Thank you very much.
26 Mehefin 2024 , Finance Committee
Papurau i'w nodi
Okay, we'll move on, then, to our second item, which is papers to note. We've got, I think, 11 papers to note. Are we happy to note those papers?
26 Mehefin 2024 , Finance Committee
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