11 Hydref 2023 , Finance Committee
Bil Senedd Cymru (Aelodau ac Etholiadau): Sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Chomisiwn y Senedd
Okay. I think that's going to be—. Have you got any further questions, Peter?
11 Hydref 2023 , Finance Committee
Bil Senedd Cymru (Aelodau ac Etholiadau): Sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Chomisiwn y Senedd
Okay. And what dialogue did you have with the Welsh Government regarding the potential costs of Members' job share? Have you looked at any of that in your modelling?
11 Hydref 2023 , Finance Committee
Bil Senedd Cymru (Aelodau ac Etholiadau): Sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Chomisiwn y Senedd
Okey dokes. Just looking at how the Commission ensured that the financial implications of the Bill were complete, and looking at things like job sharing and things that are coming down the line as well, your estimate for Members’ travel expenses reflects a…
11 Hydref 2023 , Finance Committee
Bil Senedd Cymru (Aelodau ac Etholiadau): Sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Chomisiwn y Senedd
I've got—. Mike Hedges has arrived. That's excellent. Hello, Mike. I'm sorry you've had a bad journey to work this morning, but I'm just wondering if you've got any questions yourself. I know you haven't listened to all of this session, but whether or not…
11 Hydref 2023 , Finance Committee
Bil Senedd Cymru (Aelodau ac Etholiadau): Sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Chomisiwn y Senedd
Thank you. Alun.
11 Hydref 2023 , Finance Committee
Bil Senedd Cymru (Aelodau ac Etholiadau): Sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Chomisiwn y Senedd
Okay. Thank you. Sorry.
11 Hydref 2023 , Finance Committee
Bil Senedd Cymru (Aelodau ac Etholiadau): Sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Chomisiwn y Senedd
So, it's a prudent measure—?
11 Hydref 2023 , Finance Committee
Bil Senedd Cymru (Aelodau ac Etholiadau): Sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Chomisiwn y Senedd
But I'm just thinking, reality on day one, potentially, could be at the bottom of the band, and, over time, move to the middle?
11 Hydref 2023 , Finance Committee
Bil Senedd Cymru (Aelodau ac Etholiadau): Sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Chomisiwn y Senedd
Just on that point, you talked about the middle, the average. Am I right in saying that new staff normally come in at the bottom of the band, and going over time, so that's why you've possibly taken an average rather than a—?
11 Hydref 2023 , Finance Committee
Bil Senedd Cymru (Aelodau ac Etholiadau): Sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Chomisiwn y Senedd
Ken, do you want to come in on that?
11 Hydref 2023 , Finance Committee
Bil Senedd Cymru (Aelodau ac Etholiadau): Sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Chomisiwn y Senedd
Okay, thank you very much. That's it from me. I'll move on to Peter, if I may.
11 Hydref 2023 , Finance Committee
Bil Senedd Cymru (Aelodau ac Etholiadau): Sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Chomisiwn y Senedd
Okay.
11 Hydref 2023 , Finance Committee
Bil Senedd Cymru (Aelodau ac Etholiadau): Sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Chomisiwn y Senedd
Yes, I'm just making sure that when we see your budget, we'll be able to easily see how much this change is costing, so that we can properly scrutinise what's going on. And, obviously, the Public Accounts and Public Administration Committee then, as the money…
11 Hydref 2023 , Finance Committee
Bil Senedd Cymru (Aelodau ac Etholiadau): Sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Chomisiwn y Senedd
Okay. So—. Ken, did you want—?
11 Hydref 2023 , Finance Committee
Bil Senedd Cymru (Aelodau ac Etholiadau): Sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Chomisiwn y Senedd
Okay. So, the RIA notes that cost savings have not been identified for the Commission, similar to what Alun was saying earlier, and benefits could not be monetised. What analysis did you undertake to determine potential savings and identify quantifiable…
11 Hydref 2023 , Finance Committee
Bil Senedd Cymru (Aelodau ac Etholiadau): Sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Chomisiwn y Senedd
So, is that the main difference or have things like inflation and that sort of thing come in too? Because, obviously, we've had a very different financial outlook now from what was there previously.
11 Hydref 2023 , Finance Committee
Bil Senedd Cymru (Aelodau ac Etholiadau): Sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Chomisiwn y Senedd
Yes, what use, sorry.
11 Hydref 2023 , Finance Committee
Bil Senedd Cymru (Aelodau ac Etholiadau): Sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Chomisiwn y Senedd
Diolch. So, moving on a little bit, what did you use to make the cost estimates published by the expert panel in November 2017 and the Committee on Senedd Electoral Reform in September 2020 to ensure the completeness and accuracy of the financial implications…
11 Hydref 2023 , Finance Committee
Bil Senedd Cymru (Aelodau ac Etholiadau): Sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Chomisiwn y Senedd
Sorry, I don't know if Ken wants to come in, because obviously, you're nodding away.
11 Hydref 2023 , Finance Committee
Bil Senedd Cymru (Aelodau ac Etholiadau): Sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Chomisiwn y Senedd
Alun, did you want to come in?
11 Hydref 2023 , Finance Committee
Bil Senedd Cymru (Aelodau ac Etholiadau): Sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Chomisiwn y Senedd
Diolch. In the RIA, the main area of uncertainty related to the decisions regarding the organisation of Senedd business, which is not going to be known until the start of the seventh Senedd. What impact could those have on your cost estimates? So, there are…
11 Hydref 2023 , Finance Committee
Bil Senedd Cymru (Aelodau ac Etholiadau): Sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Chomisiwn y Senedd
Obviously, with any process, you get disagreements and not necessarily seeing eye to eye on different things. Are there any concerns that you've got with these cost estimates that have been included in the evidence, whether or not there's anything that you…
11 Hydref 2023 , Finance Committee
Bil Senedd Cymru (Aelodau ac Etholiadau): Sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Chomisiwn y Senedd
And then some of the things that Manon was talking about—how that dialogue happened and what changed as things were going along.
11 Hydref 2023 , Finance Committee
Bil Senedd Cymru (Aelodau ac Etholiadau): Sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Chomisiwn y Senedd
Just before I go to Alun, the assumptions that you made, in reading the RIA, have those assumptions been carried forward into the RIA, or has the Government made different assumptions? That's something maybe you could talk about, as well.
11 Hydref 2023 , Finance Committee
Bil Senedd Cymru (Aelodau ac Etholiadau): Sesiwn dystiolaeth gyda Chomisiwn y Senedd
Thank you. In that dialogue, you worked on certain assumptions. How did you go about doing that, and how did you come to an agreement on what those assumptions should be? You mentioned that, over time, you had to revise things; could you elaborate a little…
